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Subject Re: you are missing the big picture

Posted by zdoc on January 04, 2010 at 9:59 PM

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In Reply To you are missing the big picture (n/m) posted by dpjax on January 04, 2010 at 08:57 PM

Message tell me the "BIG" picture...paying more to support some other guy...or realize that measurements and comparisons is a science and a fact upon measuring...I understand loyalty...I also understand a few hundred $$$$$...in my pocket...show me a difference in performance and if significant ( a percentage that actually matters) then you decide if you want to kiss A**....we all want performance...not all have an endless supply of $$$ to bost about I have MS vs AMS vs ebay...I will always take performance for less $$$$ if proven structurally solid.

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AMS vs. Ebay Manifold Debate....Case Closed - Tech@EPR 15:24:12 01/04/10
Cliff notes..."are exactly the same" (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 15:40:32 01/04/10
$149 < $550 = sits well with me. (n/m) - evan_aggie 15:52:11 01/04/10
Thanks for taking the time to do the thorough testing. (n/m) - treese88 15:53:37 01/04/10
tpiwwosemam - Adam (NoVA) 16:03:51 01/04/10
So the copycats got copied. LOL .and at $149 LOL!!! (n/m) - MikeVar82 16:08:07 01/04/10
No, didn't you read? They are the same manifolds. (n/m) - Ashman2k2 16:29:12 01/04/10
ah. either way very funny (n/m) - MikeVar82 16:44:59 01/04/10
Who are your world business partners? Did you perform - zgene4 16:19:18 01/04/10
Karma. (n/m) - Spongerider :) 16:23:11 01/04/10
Are you sure you have the proper accreditation to make - Dream Z 16:24:26 01/04/10
Bets on how long this post would last on 3zc? (n/m) - Evan(CA) 16:37:03 01/04/10
1...2..Gone (n/m) - LiftedCracker 16:47:32 01/04/10
Still waiting for it LOL (n/m) - Piranha(PHX) 17:03:10 01/04/10
u wont see it lol (n/m) - DarkZide 22:55:53 01/04/10
Go post it up DarkZide... its your turn to get banned :) (n/m) - Piranha(PHX) 23:37:35 01/04/10
They've banned me like 20 times. Oh well. (n/m) - Optima 02:08:10 01/05/10
where should I post it? i hate that place anyways. - ghostinator (fl) 09:45:40 01/05/10
LOLZ! (n/m) - Halo Z 16:37:54 01/04/10
thanks (n/m) - aliaZ 16:42:22 01/04/10
Yikes!!! (n/m) - jschrauwen 16:48:41 01/04/10
Not to discourage any AMS nut-kicking, but how does - Guapo 17:00:40 01/04/10
Re: Not to discourage any AMS nut-kicking, but how does - Tech@EPR 17:38:11 01/04/10
I have the SZ inconel and I had to run two gaskets - AZHeat 12:53:05 01/05/10
2nd. Aren't those pics showing PS mani with DS turbo?? (n/m) - ConVerTT 17:45:39 01/04/10
Re: 2nd. Aren't those pics showing PS mani with DS turbo?? - Tech@EPR 18:02:23 01/04/10
lmao, The eBay ones even say "AMS"? (n/m) - 550HPTT 17:30:11 01/04/10
Well Damnit Mitch - pearlwhite94ttz 17:56:24 01/04/10
Re: Well Damnit Mitch - Tech@EPR 18:00:32 01/04/10
returning and rebuying should be in order - ZLover4Life 18:12:27 01/04/10
das truth (n/m) - Halo Z 18:16:34 01/04/10
Re: returning and rebuying should be in order - Tech@EPR 18:25:44 01/04/10
Agreed. - SimaYi 19:03:24 01/04/10
you, yourself, spoke of poor quality control (n/m) - ZLover4Life 07:17:31 01/05/10
Re: returning and rebuying should be in order - pearlwhite94ttz 21:47:05 01/04/10
the main reason is that these manifolds are copies of MSP's (n/m) - inf 21:58:32 01/04/10
MSP uses known quality materials & manufacturing - Bernie (NoVA) 22:11:07 01/04/10
Re: MSP uses known quality materials & manufacturing - Tech@EPR 22:18:52 01/04/10
According to SPLParts and what I have been told by Mike - Bernie (NoVA) 22:23:23 01/04/10
Re: According to SPLParts and what I have been told by Mike - Tech@EPR 22:28:45 01/04/10
You prob. should cite a source before you toss out something - Bernie (NoVA) 22:29:47 01/04/10
Re: You prob. should cite a source before you toss out something - Tech@EPR 22:31:41 01/04/10
Where are these Garrett foundry's located and - AZHeat 18:03:57 01/05/10
Did you actually read the post? (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 19:06:57 01/05/10
C'mon now Bernie, you know he can't read too good, meanie (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 12:21:21 01/06/10
A lot of vendors overstate their products. Why wouldn't - AZHeat 17:29:30 01/06/10
In a word? Ethics. (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 21:31:54 01/06/10
LOL, when it comes to money , it's every man for himself. - AZHeat 21:55:58 01/06/10
I don't see what's funny about it. (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 22:59:59 01/06/10
What's funny is you think or assume every vendor is - AZHeat 23:21:18 01/06/10
I don't assume any such thing. - Bernie (NoVA) 07:57:05 01/07/10
that has nothing to do wiht the subject at hand (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 23:20:24 01/06/10
Do you believe everything you read ? Just because it - AZHeat 17:27:37 01/06/10
"what I have been told by Mike himself" - Bernie (NoVA) 21:34:56 01/06/10
Re: "what I have been told by Mike himself" - AZHeat 21:48:47 01/06/10
than why not sell the Z and get a high quality cheaper car - Halo Z 22:38:47 01/04/10
"gotta pay to play" - ZLover4Life 10:07:27 01/05/10
Sums it up perfectly (n/m) - HighPsi 17:26:34 01/05/10
I've always liked "Garbage in=Garbage out" (n/m) - Piranha(PHX) 22:15:42 01/05/10
not surprised ;) "Garbage in=Garbage out" (n/m) - My300zx 01:19:14 01/06/10
2nd! Talk to Kyle and see if he will switch them out for - Piranha(PHX) 23:27:34 01/04/10
Wasn't it a customer specified special order? - Bernie (NoVA) 15:57:16 01/05/10
Special order or not, Kyle sold them so I would think - Piranha(PHX) 17:41:21 01/05/10
I wouldn't - esp. if I made it clear that it was a special - Bernie (NoVA) 18:56:24 01/05/10
For once you I disagree Bernie :) (n/m) - Piranha(PHX) 19:03:47 01/05/10
I'm ok w. that. (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 19:09:04 01/05/10
You're allowed to be incorrect. :-) (n/m) - Only1Z 19:42:36 01/05/10
Bernie makes several good points. - Spongerider :) 19:08:43 01/05/10
I agree 100% as far as the product goes, but if a vendor - Piranha(PHX) 19:20:33 01/05/10
What is there to stand behind? - Only1Z 19:45:59 01/05/10
You know I dont even know if the guy wants to return them... - Piranha(PHX) 19:59:21 01/05/10
Yeah I know. You are correct. He should try, but I don't - Only1Z 20:03:47 01/05/10
Just to set the record straight - Kyle(Houston) 21:14:56 01/05/10
What does he need to stand behind? - Bernie (NoVA) 21:23:53 01/05/10
Nothing Bernie since you educated me on special orders :) (n/m) - Piranha(PHX) 21:45:35 01/05/10
Beautiful, Mitch. - SimaYi 18:09:22 01/04/10
No honor among thieves. (n/m) - dpjax 18:14:05 01/04/10
sounds like they "fell off the truck" (n/m) - blackomega 18:19:36 01/04/10
I'm not sure if I can trust someone that doesn't have a - Loredram 18:25:27 01/04/10
Lol...so true! (n/m) - mikem@ztune.ca 21:51:04 01/04/10
They keep the better castings for themselves - Brad(RI) 18:38:22 01/04/10
This makes since for me. Ebay has feedback, and recourse via - Turnerscasa (Dallas) 07:28:15 01/05/10
i dont get it! my buddy just installed a set of AMS manis - jmurcybizd 18:38:30 01/04/10
Re: i dont get it! my buddy just installed a set of AMS manis - Tech@EPR 19:04:52 01/04/10
welcome back (n/m) - Seb@Specialty-Z 13:47:34 01/05/10
Interesting. (n/m) - Summeronthechain (MN) 18:39:48 01/04/10
Hilarity ensues. (n/m) - bstyleZ 19:03:13 01/04/10
Who has the link to purchase ebay ones?? :-) (n/m) - nonstopna 19:04:46 01/04/10
Re: Who has the link to purchase ebay ones?? :-) - ali300zx 20:27:17 01/04/10
Re: Re: Who has the link to purchase ebay ones?? :-) - Tech@EPR 22:20:20 01/04/10
wrong. they are the same manifolds, the pics in the ad - nissansx 23:20:34 01/04/10
Those pics are definitely of stock manifold dimensions - Ashman2k2 04:35:27 01/05/10
2nd (n/m) - aliaZ 15:04:22 01/05/10
those are not the AMS manifolds - aliaZ 15:03:16 01/05/10
Ok... so does anybody know where to get them or if - nonstopna 20:11:59 01/05/10
would be interesting to see how 3zc'ers will react - jzx 19:20:56 01/04/10
that is easy......they will flock to ebay (n/m) - dpjax 19:29:57 01/04/10
They will all flock to ebay anyway. (n/m) - zfreak(Dallas) 19:48:04 01/04/10
they'll just say well its better than stock. (n/m) - Alan(MD/NJ) 19:48:36 01/04/10
Re: AMS vs. Ebay Manifold Debate....Case Closed - michaell32 19:21:15 01/04/10
Re: Re: AMS vs. Ebay Manifold Debate....Case Closed - Tech@EPR 19:52:53 01/04/10
Re: Re: Re: AMS vs. Ebay Manifold Debate....Case Closed - michaell32 18:16:48 01/05/10
HIGH-sterical. (n/m) - awesom-o 19:34:46 01/04/10
Well played. - zfreak(Dallas) 19:47:25 01/04/10
should have done MS manis to show quality diff. (n/m) - Alan(MD/NJ) 19:52:44 01/04/10
Re: should have done MS manis to show quality diff. - Tech@EPR 19:54:21 01/04/10
I think that's already been done (n/m) - inf 20:17:46 01/04/10
I've got a set of MS manis (n/m) - aliaZ 21:07:15 01/04/10
Re: I've got a set of MS manis - Tech@EPR 21:33:23 01/04/10
me too (n/m) - Piranha(PHX) 22:18:26 01/05/10
Re: AMS vs. Ebay Manifold Debate....Case Closed - WazTTed 20:22:46 01/04/10
no kidding. me too (n/m) - bbug 20:49:15 01/04/10
...and I'm glad to spend every dime of that. - zfreak(Dallas) 20:59:45 01/04/10
Re: ...and I'm glad to spend every dime of that. - nissansx 23:24:30 01/04/10
nice to to see some real tech stuff - zdoc 20:22:49 01/04/10
you are missing the big picture (n/m) - dpjax 20:57:07 01/04/10
indeed (n/m) - aliaZ 21:03:11 01/04/10
Re: you are missing the big picture - zdoc 21:59:01 01/04/10
The big picture: - Bernie (NoVA) 22:13:19 01/04/10
save more money and buy a honda or some car from china. (n/m) - Halo Z 22:45:47 01/04/10
so you don't care who copied who so long as you get it cheap - aliaZ 22:51:02 01/04/10
Yawn... AMS is craptastic, been proven. (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 23:06:00 01/04/10
I agree, I don't really care as long as it saves me money. - Optima 02:06:24 01/05/10
what you guys dont realize - jzx 06:01:49 01/05/10
...if you want to continue seeing new products for the Z32 - BigTDogg (MA) 06:28:51 01/05/10
That is a great lesson to teach your family. - dpjax 06:13:16 01/05/10
I feel sorry for your kids - aliaZ 07:02:21 01/05/10
2nd - ZLover4Life 07:19:34 01/05/10
While I understand your point, pretty much all toys are - Multi_Read (MO) 08:26:48 01/06/10
Big 3rd. That's pitiful. (n/m) - Dustin 08:01:09 01/05/10
Wow. I'm glad my parents raised me right. - collegeboy 10:33:34 01/05/10
Subjective opinion..: ) (I joke...wsup.) (n/m) - Turnerscasa (Dallas) 11:39:06 01/05/10
Really? Kind of short sighted don't you think? (n/m) - Piranha(PHX) 18:20:01 01/05/10
Re: AMS vs. Ebay Manifold Debate....Case Closed - zdoc 20:35:53 01/04/10
my popcorn's getting cold waiting for honzrr to set the - Gizmo 22:40:35 01/04/10
he was banned (n/m) - aliaZ 22:46:27 01/04/10
dang...I was wondering why he's been quiet (n/m) - Gizmo 22:49:21 01/04/10
And thank God for that. - BigTDogg (MA) 23:16:22 01/04/10
Nice work Mitch, if you can or want to post this over at 3ZC - BigTDogg (MA) 23:14:08 01/04/10
Re: Nice work Mitch, if you can or want to post this over at 3ZC - Tech@EPR 23:16:56 01/04/10
Imagine that, freedom to approach a question logically - BigTDogg (MA) 23:23:20 01/04/10
Next thing you are going to tell us is that Jerry Jones - LJZTT 23:19:10 01/04/10
Hopefully IPP will let your customer return the AMS manis - Piranha(PHX) 23:25:54 01/04/10
Re: Hopefully IPP will let your customer return the AMS manis - Tech@EPR 23:47:06 01/04/10
To Bernies point, we need to know what these AMS/Ebay manis - Turnerscasa (Dallas) 07:56:04 01/05/10
I don't see an issue with this comparison, nor do I see - BigTDogg (MA) 08:01:58 01/05/10
Lock washers on an exhaust manifold Is a big NO No (n/m) - the80proof 01:01:42 01/05/10
Why? (n/m) - zgene4 08:28:52 01/05/10
the heat (n/m) - Seb@Specialty-Z 13:45:06 01/05/10
What does the heat do to lock washers? I just installed - Mr.Stacy 15:12:58 01/05/10
hot/cold cycles cause them to loose the "spring" and negate - Bernie (NoVA) 16:00:20 01/05/10
Thanks you for your imput - induetime 01:52:04 01/05/10
Does anyone have milage on either of these inferior items? - Turbodog (CT) 06:35:15 01/05/10
Your Titan exhaust manifolds are welded steel, not cast. (n/m) - Barry(TN) 08:33:25 01/05/10
Your Titan manifolds are not cast manifolds. - nissanguyz32 08:53:16 01/05/10
No kidding?! Never looked at them close enough to see - Turbodog (CT) 17:06:01 01/05/10
As expected. Sad Vuk...very sad Vuk - collegeboy 10:35:05 01/05/10
2nd. This is all Vuk'd up IMO (n/m) - ConVerTT 10:45:32 01/05/10
LoL. Dang it, It's all Vuk'd up now. (n/m) - Mallz 11:35:32 01/05/10
:) - ZiNnYc 14:37:34 01/05/10
Where did they ship from? (n/m) - 550HPTT 14:59:51 01/05/10
Local, Rockville Centre NY. - ZiNnYc 15:06:15 01/05/10
Any links to current auctions or past? - Evan(CA) 16:26:52 01/05/10
looks like ~200 pages for eworldsales1 - 93DemonCar 16:55:35 01/05/10
Re: Any links to current auctions or past? - Guapo 17:00:13 01/05/10
We'll see how long it lasts over there... - Z_Cherub 15:29:12 01/05/10
Re: We'll see how long it lasts over there... - ybnormal70 19:35:08 01/05/10
Re: Re: We'll see how long it lasts over there... - Tech@EPR 20:50:30 01/05/10
Re: Re: Re: We'll see how long it lasts over there... - jschrauwen 00:23:38 01/06/10
That would be an incorrect assumption on your part. - jschrauwen 00:16:34 01/06/10
Re: We'll see how long it lasts over there... - pencerules 19:38:44 01/05/10
The mods don't help when they close threads rather than - BigTDogg (MA) 12:08:06 01/06/10
What's so sad they are making bank on these. - AZHeat 17:19:26 01/05/10
you can't compare diesel to gasoline (n/m) - ZLover4Life 19:15:41 01/05/10
You are right. Diesel makes 2 lbs of torque for - AZHeat 23:57:49 01/05/10
that, and... - ZLover4Life 22:59:21 01/07/10
maybe you should sell your Z then? (n/m) - aliaZ 18:10:14 01/06/10
Re: maybe you should sell your Z then? - AZHeat 19:22:11 01/06/10
!!! Sorry to hear about that (n/m) - aliaZ 20:04:18 01/06/10
Well, Thanks, Anyways.. - AZHeat 21:37:00 01/06/10
In summary, this is what can be said about the manifolds - BigTDogg (MA) 12:37:50 01/06/10
Damn ur Z is nice and cleeeeann (n/m) - KongZTT GT28RS MD 07:37:31 01/07/10
Thanks man, it's a labor of love :-) (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 09:59:42 01/07/10
Very entertaining yet, as usual, informative post. (n/m) - inferno 13:51:46 01/07/10

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